MSN Nurse-Midwifery Online Information Session

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All right. Well, we'll go ahead and get started. Thank you all so much for taking time out of your evening to join with us this evening. My name is Katie Smith and I am one of the enrollment service advisors here at the University of Cincinnati.

I've been here for four years.

And with me this evening is Doctor Lisa Hatchi, the program coordinator for our online nurse midwifery program.

And so we'll get started here and then shortly I will pass it off to Doctor Hatchi.

Alright, so the University of Cincinnati through creative leveraging of technology, the College of Nursing will help to lead and transform our our students into healthcare partnerships with the people that they serve. We have a very mission driven program here at the university. Our goal is to develop leaders and to empower them to explore and apply their nursing knowledge.

In in healthcare environments.

Couple of fun facts about the University of Cincinnati. Uh we are actually the first College in the nation to offer a Bachelors of science degree.

And on top of that, we have been providing graduate level online learning since 2007. So this is nothing new to us. Our faculty have taken time to survey our students, listen to them and really ensure that we're, you know, delivering top notch education to our online students.

Uh, right now over 2/3 of our students attend an online program.

And additionally, something that I find to be very important is all of our full time faculty are licensed in the specialty in which they teach. So your faculty are really going to be able to bring in that hands-on experience, give you that that first hand knowledge in the classroom.

We also offer our online students a variety of or a layers of support, I should say. So on the front end, you'll have your enrollment service advisor. That would either be myself or one of my colleagues.

And we are here to educate you about our program, help determine if our program is the right fit for you.

And of course, gets you through the application process, which we'll touch on in a little bit.

You'll also have a student success coordinator as well. So once admitted into the program, let's be optimistic you'll have access to a clinical site coordinator and that person will act as your advisor throughout the entire duration of your program here at the university.

Um, so they will check in on you every semester to, you know, get a feel how for how your classes are going and and just ensure that you're on the right track to to graduation.

Excuse me, you'll also have available to you a clinical site coordinator. So while we do encourage our students to try to locate and secure their own clinical site or preceptor first using that professional network, if you do have a difficult time, this clinical site coordinator is someone who could step in and help offer some assistance to you.

You will, of course, also have access to your program director. They are here to to help ensure that your time as a student here at the university is is seamless and they want you to be successful. And that goes for our amazing faculty as well. So our faculty again are here to ensure that you get through the program promptly.

You'll also have our financial aid support as well here at the university. I know it can be challenging for online students to actually have a point of contact and you will have that here at the university.

So without further ado, I'm going to pass it off to Doctor Hatchi, who's going to do a little bit of a deeper dive into the program with you.

Good evening everyone. My name is Doctor Lisa Hayashi and I am the program director for the Nurse Midwifery program. I'm just going to give you a little bit of my background. I have been a nurse midwife since 1999 and actively practicing full scope midwifery.

Prior to that, I was a perinatal nurse for ohh, my gosh, 1213 years, something like that pretty much in community hospitals as well as academic high risk hospitals. And I was a perinatal flight nurse and A5 state Regional Referral center out at the University of Utah and it was at that point that I had decided to.

Actually become a midwife. I had worked closely with neonatology, perinatology and nurse midwives and saw what a great relationship that we had. Collegial, respectful and it was wonderful. So I am actually a 1999 graduate from the University of Cincinnati.

Next, next slide. Thank you.

Operator, operator, um, OK. So the goal of the MSN for nurse midwifery at the University of Cincinnati, as Katie mentioned, it is fully online other than.

There are clinical skills intensives in which our students actually come to campus. The first one is clinical skills intensive, one which is taken in your first practicum course, which is, as you can see there, the primary care of women.

In which we discussed some of the primary care issues that you will be managing when you become a midwife.

And just a little fun fact, actually, um, Hersa does agnates, nurse midwives as primary care practitioners in the United States. So that's a good thing and we can talk more about that later.

Later on and what that actually means for your practice, so um, so CSI one is actually done remotely. So that is actually one of my specialties is clinical skills in a remote environment. So I am the primary care faculty for that that course. And so we have completely transitioned that and mainly because we found that students did just as well as they did.

If they came to campus for the primary care on clinical skills and so as a cost savings to students, we decided to continue to have that in a remote environment so you don't have to deal with taking time off work, childcare issues, flight housing, all of that to come to campus for CSI one. But the other courses that you take are reproductive and sexual health.

You will be taking antenatal intrapartum, pregnancy, birth, postpartum and then newborn care and then your final practicum would be integration. And that's where essentially what integration means is you're going to put it all together and and so that you have a comprehensive understanding of the full scope of practice for a nurse midwife.

So when you get into the intrapartum, postpartum and newborn course, which is your second to last semester, you will be coming to campus for clinical skills intensives to where you actually are learning hand maneuvers for delivering a baby and managing some of the potential complications such as breech or shoulder dystocia and things like that. So it is actually, really.

Some fun and exciting time, and students love it. So we actually have a birthing simulator where you'll be able to do that. So with that being said, the requirements for the program are actually designated by the American Midwifery Certification Board, which is a MCB.

And nurse midwifery is both.

Success in the program is both determined by the number of clinical hours you have, which is 784 throughout the program, but it's also competency based. And what that means is that preceptors and your faculty together determine whether you are competent in the the skills and requirements that the A MCB designates for you. So that would be, umm, postpartum skills, intrapartum skills, actually doing birth managing.

Labor um.

Gwyn um, so the various things. So it is competency based as well. So our program is designed for nurses that have a bachelors in science and hopefully at least one year experience as an RN and ideally an RN in labor and delivery is preferred. It's not required, but it really does give you the advantage of knowing the language.

If you're coming from.

Home health or you're coming from emergency department, you just don't know the language that is being used in labor and delivery. So it really is to your advantage. But again, it's not a requirement. OK and?

All the courses are offered online, with the exception of your clinical and your practicum.

So, OK, Katie, next.

These are the schemas. We have two schemas for our students coming in.

And the first one here is a full time schema which is over 6 semesters.

And I think that's 748, but it's actually I believe seven, it's higher than that, a little bit higher typo. So anyway it's 57 credit hours and.

That's as you can see, ten credit hours, nine credit hours, and then your last two semesters are ten credit hours. It's a fairly heavy load, but you can accomplish that within two years to do that. So we do have the full time schema. And Katie, do you also have, which is 6 terms? By the way, do you also have the part time schema?

And that.

They do. Let me pull it up on my computer while you're talking. I'll get it pulled up.

OK. OK. I I can briefly touch on it. You don't have to pull it up, but the part time schema is over 8 semesters, so it's a little over 2 1/2 years to get through that. So one thing I think that's.

Unique about our program, UM, is that faculty and all of the staff that are here to support you understand that life happens. You're in grad school, you're working, you have family issues.

You know, family responsibilities, I don't mean issues, but things come up right and we factor that in and there is some flexibility in the program so.

I don't want you to think you're locked into this. We do like you to decide whether you want to go 6 or 8 terms, but we do offer some flexibility and can can kind of switch things around a little bit. With that being said, we do have prerequisites that are required to be taken in the first two semesters prior to getting into primary care and your didactic and practicum courses.

So that's it. Next.

Do you want me to talk about preceptors, Katie? OK, we'll do that. OK. Requirements for preceptors and the program, is that your preceptors, whether they are?

A nurse midwife.

A nurse practitioner and APRN or a physician?

Is required to have an unrestricted license in order to be a preceptor for students.

Students typically begin their clinical in their third semester if you are a full time schema. If you're part time the 8th semester, I believe it's in your 4th semester that you begin.

Your practicum.

You're encouraged to start seeking out now or once you decide that you are going to begin the program networking in your area.

With midwives that you know, there are physicians as well, just to see if they can precept you and facilitate their your clinical hours that you're required to have. Sometimes it may be difficult to find a preceptor in your location.

And so we do have our clinical site coordinator that offers some assistance and we have a running list, an ongoing list that we have compiled over many, many, many years of preceptors and various areas. Many of them are graduates of the University of Cincinnati and so we stay in touch with them.

And so.

The clinical sites need to be community based. I'm not sure what that means, Katie.

Umm.

Because we have, we have students that sometimes go outside their own community. So I hope that doesn't mean that they're locked into their community. So sometimes you may have to travel a little bit, you know, 45 minutes or so in order to get to a clinical site.

And again as I mentioned earlier, preceptors are required to be an active licensed unrestricted licensed nurse practitioner, certified nurse midwife or an MD. And we have here that the last two semesters must be with the CNM. But actually what it is, is the requirement from the American College of Nurse Midwives is that at least 50%, fifty, 1% greater than 50%.

Of your clinical experiences must be with a nurse midwife. So if you have a nurse midwife that you're with during primary care, we also want you to have midwife experience for birth when you get into the intrapartum. But you can also be with the physician because part of our role is to have that interprofessional relationship and that is a fabulous thing to have because you're going to be working with.

A collaborating physician throughout your career.

OK.

This is the one I can't see. It's so, so tiny. So we did talk a bit about the requirements for preceptors and.

Um, later on we can get into the requirements for actual experiences. So again I mentioned that a MCB.

Has designated how many clinical experiences per category that would correlate with our students being competent in the areas required for graduation to be a midwife. So what I mean by that, some of the areas are primary care. You need to have 40 experiences as a minimum in seeing primary care patients.

Um, within your scope of practice, you need to have so many births, 35 births, and then you need to have labor experiences on top of that, which is the management of Labor. You need to be able to see so many gyms, do so many Pap smears, manage various gynecological, both normal and deviations from normal, as well as some newborn care. And so those numbers will go over with you again.

And you'll see them many, many times when you're in the program, but that is how competency, one of the ways the competencies is determined by the AMC B as well as the program. And we do adhere to that as well as every program that I have queried across the country uses the AMC B competency guidelines.

And I think that's it.

Awesome. Well, I will go ahead and take over for you, doctor Hatchie, and we will, excuse me, touch on the prerequisites necessary for admission into our program.

So we require that students have an undergraduate statistics course.

With a grade of C or higher.

We also need to see that students have a conferred BSN from a regionally and nursing accredited institution. We do like to see a three-point O GPA or higher.

Again, I know doctor Hatchy kind of touched on this. It is required that you have one full year of working RN experience, labor and delivery. Mom and baby Niku is preferred, but it is not required.

And if there are any graduates or soon to be graduates of our RN to BSN program, be sure to reach out to your enrollment service advisor and they can talk to you about your admission options that are available to you.

Um, so our faculty perform a very holistic review of your application. Our online application is through nursing Cass.

Ctas since we're centralized application system.

There is an $80.00 nursing cash application fee.

And then there is a secondary $65 University of Cincinnati application fee as well.

As part of the application process, we will require official transcripts from any college or university that you attended. So even if you did you know some courses at a Community College before you went and got your four year, we would require that transcript as well.

And you'll want to send those transcripts directly to nursing Cass. So nothing should come to the University of Cincinnati. You'll want to send all your transcripts right to nursing Cass.

We've talked about that BSN conferred degree.

We would also need a copy of your RN license.

Excuse me, I'm sorry, I'm battling, uh, the allergies here in Ohio.

We do need a copy of your unrestricted RN license. A simple screenshot from nurses is perfectly fine.

We require three professional letters of reference. We would like to see one be a current supervisor.

You could use a past supervisor.

A supervising physician. A Women's Health nurse practitioner. A CNM. An FNP.

Try to avoid using a coworker or colleague. Uh, definitely think about using someone in that leadership role who has seen your abilities as a as a nurse to to speak to your readiness and preparedness to to take that next step in your in your degree, in your field.

There is a resume or CV.

So take the time to ensure that you've included any professional development you've done, if there's any professional organizations that you're a member of, anything that you have done or are doing.

To go above and beyond the normal.

Job description and in your role. So if you've done any additional certifications, you know, lactation or breastfeeding, tell faculty about that, because they're not going to know unless you tell them.

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Sure, please.

No, please go ahead.

Katie, can I jump in here? Do you mind if I just say something? I don't want to cut you off, but I'm going to. You know me, I'm going to. I would also recommend if you're in labor and delivery or you're considering this any mother baby Women's Health.

Position. I would recommend, considering, if you haven't already done so, to join A1.

Because that shows professional development and it you know, it also demonstrates to the reviewers that you are professionally engaged. So that is part of what we look at in during the holistic reviews is is that so involvement in a professional organization like a one or March of Dimes or something to that effect.

Really set you kind of apart from other applicants as well.

Some, thank you.

Awesome. No, thank you for that. I appreciate the insight. Thank you.

The there's two more components of the application process, one of which is going to be a professional goal statement.

So faculty are looking for between 500 and 750 words on why nurse midwifery? Where does this passion come from? How do you see yourself utilizing this degree in your community?

Um.

Not necessarily why you became a nurse, but why this next step in becoming a certified nurse midwife?

And then the last component of the application process is called coursework entry. So every course that you have completed within your college career needs to be entered into the actual application itself.

Um, I'm just the messenger. I know it sounds very tedious and time consuming, but it really does help our faculty on the back end to look at your application more holistically.

It'll pull out a nursing GPA, it'll pull out a science GPA. It'll give them a math GPA. So it really does help them to to look at you more holistically.

Excuse me, I do see a question here from Lauren.

Is the cumulative GPA a strict no?

Can the GRE counter?

A GPA less than a 3.0.

Lauren, that's a really great question. And honestly, you know, I have seen students that have had a little bit below the the 3.0 GPA have been admitted. Umm, you know, because we understand that sometimes students, you know, were maybe young and and naive and maybe their first year of college and didn't take things very seriously and then had to dig themselves out of the proverbial GPA hole.

So.

It's not necessarily a no you know if you're at that 29 mark some somewhere in there I would think you know you could still you know definitely apply GRE. I mean you can take it. I think one thing that might strengthen your application even more than the GRE would be to take a graduate level nursing course as a as a non matriculated.

Student whether you do that here at the University of Cincinnati.

Or, you know, at A at another regionally or nursing accredited institution.

I do.

Doctor Hatchie, I don't know if you have any feedback to that question that you'd like to offer as as faculty or not.

I do thank you, um. As I touched on before, joining our professional organization shows professional development, getting some certifications such as through NCIC.

That would be your high risk or you know, your OB certification and anything like that because that's showing you've gone above and beyond the requirements for your current job.

And so that would help even if you've presented somewhere like a poster presentation for March of Dimes or anything like that, put those things in there. We want to see that that you're taking a little bit of a leadership and proactive.

Um, perspective, because that is, those are the sort of things that will push you over if your GPA is slightly below a 3.0 or for some reason you struggled with science.

Um, yes, Angelina, yes, you would.

Well.

So then the the other thing, when you write your goal statement address, we all had a different path to becoming a midwife.

And address that even if it's something that just occurred to you in the last year or two, you know it wasn't this lifelong dream or I've always loved babies and and that sort of thing, something that may have inspired you.

You know to have become.

Um, a midwife. And and take this path, tell your personal story. We like stories, you know well written stories. We really like to hear that because when you tell your story, the the passion or the drive comes through and that's what we're looking at. Have someone else read it for you and check grammar.

Sometimes when we read things, and this has been proven over and over and over again, um, through sciences, we miss those little subtleties because our mind is reading something else that we intended to, and yet it doesn't translate onto the page. And then as Katie touched on, make sure you select your your.

Um.

Make sure that you select your um. Oh, what am I thinking?

References.

One says, Oh my gosh, can you tell? I've been up since 1:00 AM? So make sure you select your references carefully. Go with the supervisor, Selecta, and NP midwife. You can have more than one supervisor. Try to stay away from coworkers because of course they're going to say they like you, but it's your your supervisors or those that your physician or a nurse midwife who saw.

How you were with the laboring patient that she was delivering, right?

And so those are those are things that can really boost a slightly less than stellar GPA up and up and beyond based on the rubric. So that's my feedback.

Hmm.

Perfect. Thank you for that. So just kind of continuing on with the application process, I apologize because I feel like these two slides are very similar and I just get super passionate. So I feel like I cover everything in the first one. So sorry.

So again, you'll complete the application online through nursing casts. You do have the ability to, like, start and stop your application. You know, spend a little bit of time on it and then maybe you're like, OK, I need to take a break from this. You do have the ability to start and stop.

You are able to submit your application while you are waiting on your references and your transcripts to arrive at nursing Cass.

If you elect to enter the courses on your own.

You will need to do that before you submit the application. Now, nursing cast does also offer professional transcript entry and that is where they will enter the courses for you on your behalf. So you'll still request to have your transcripts sent to nursing Cass and then once they arrive there.

They will enter the courses for you and you'll have the ability to to verify and and confirm. You know that all the courses are correct and they didn't say, you know, oh, Susie took underwater basket weaving.

Because no, Susie didn't take that. So you'll be able to confirm that that is correct.

Once your application reaches the verified status and nursing cast, that's going to be when we truly have everything that we need for our faculty to review. So your transfer, your transcripts, your references, your goal statement, your RN license, the.

References that just everything we do send those completed applications out for faculty review once a week, every Friday.

And it goes through a committee review and you should have an admission decision within two to three weeks of of your application reaching verified.

Um, right now there is um. We are waiving the secondary University of Cincinnati application fee, which is $65 for the fall 2023 cohort. So right now all you'll have to pay is the $80.00 nursing cash application fee.

Um, OK, think. I think we're good there.

Click. There we go.

All right. Here is a quick breakdown of the tuition and fees, so in state.

Credit cost per credit hour is $892.00.

An out of state cost per credit hour is $907.00 per credit hour. So it's only a difference of $15 per credit hour whether you're in state or out of state. So please don't feel like we're going to price gouge you for not living in the state of Ohio.

Um, there is a program fee which is $56.30 and that is per credit hour. So that that number there is kind of lumped in to that 892 or that 907 that you're seeing there.

Um, so just add a glance here for you. The in state total is 45,000.

$554.00 and then the out-of-state total is $46,319.

You will be assessed a bloodborne pathogen fee, and that'll happen once an academic year or every 3rd semester.

This program, it is eligible for federal financial aid.

Um, so feel feel free to fill out that fast spa and and use any funds that that you have available to you. The program is also eligible for military benefits, so if you are a military member, a thank you for your service.

You can also check with your VA representative to determine if your benefits will cover the program and and how much you have left as well. The University of Cincinnati does have a a vet success coordinator. Her name is Jill. She's wonderful.

We are one of three schools in the state of Ohio that actually has a A designated representative employed by the VA to assist our students, so we're very lucky to have her.

Payment plans are of course available for the program as well. Sometimes I have students that will use a combination of fasfa tuition remission from from their work or tuition reimbursement from their work and also setting up a payment plan. So there's a variety of options there available to you.

And finally, check with your enrollment service advisor about our university to business scholarship program. This is a fairly new initiative for the university where we basically partner with different employers and you receive a scholarship to attend the university and that is good for anyone of our online programs.

And it's good for not only you as the employee, but also your spouse or domestic partner and dependents up to the age of 25.

So it's pretty cool. So just some.

Kind of nursing related partnerships that we have, Mercy Hospital, Bon Secours, Ohio health Nationwide Children's Hospital, Kroger little clinic. So if you happen to be a nurse at the little clinic at Kroger, you are eligible for.

Scholarship. So, uh, talk to your enrollment service advisor. If you have any questions about that, they'll be happy to. Happy to help out.

We do have a few states where we hold restrictions and these are going to be a result of this specific State Board of Nursing and the Department of Higher Education.

So the University of Cincinnati is not able to expect, except, excuse me, applicants for the online nursing programs from the states of Arizona, Louisiana, Massachusetts, New York.

Oregon.

Rhode Island or Tennessee?

So hopefully nobody on this call lives there.

Once you complete our program, you are eligible to practice in all 50 states. You would just seek reciprocity in in that other state. But again, at this time no applicants can be admitted from.

These seven states.

At this time, I'd like to open it up for any additional questions for either Doctor Hatche or myself about the program or.

The application process, whatever the case may be, we are we are. Here we'll give you guys a few moments to to type out your questions.

What sets our program apart?

I feel like Doctor Hatch and I are going to play rock, paper, scissors on this one.

Would you like to go first or would you like me to?

You can go ahead and go first. I think I pretty much touched on that throughout this but.

Wonderful, wonderful.

You know, I know I heard doctor Hatchie kind of talk about this a little bit.

And I I know I did too. I think one thing that really sets our our program apart is our faculty are licensed. You know, nurse midwives, they are practicing.

So they're able to bring those experiences into the classroom.

Um again, University of Cincinnati's been doing online education since 2007, specifically with our nursing programs and our faculty have, you know, surveyed our students, listened to them, made tweaks to, to the formatting of of courses to ensure that we are delivering, you know, a top notch program to our students, I believe our most recent pass rate.

Um, correct me if I'm wrong. I believe it was 2021. We were 9800% board certification pass rate. So our students are walking out of this program very, very well prepared to sit for the boards.

All right, if I wanted to apply for a non declared admission to help counter my GPA, how would I do that? It's the application process is saying Lauren, really great question. So for students who are looking to take courses as a non matriculated student, it's a little cumbersome, but I'm going to try to walk you through it.

If you live in the state of Ohio, you can definitely take those here at the University of Cincinnati.

If you live outside the state of Ohio, I would encourage you to take those elsewhere, as there are some exuberant fees out of state fees if you're not enrolled in a program.

Like a couple $1000 full transparency. I ran into this a couple semesters ago with another student.

So there's you don't actually apply to be a non matriculated student. There are some forms that you'll fill out. You would need to obtain faculty approval to to take the course as a non matriculated student, and typically as long as you know none of the courses that you're looking to take are.

Fully booked, meaning they're they're at full capacity. You should be able to take the course as a non matriculating student.

Lauren, I put my e-mail in the chat a couple minutes ago. Feel free to e-mail me directly and and we can kind of talk about that. Or if you're already working with one of my colleagues either. Either way, we'll be able to to kind of help tackle that a little bit better for you on a more one-on-one level.

Um, let me see here. I'm just scanning to make sure I haven't missed any questions.

Ah, great question. If I want to be considered for the next semester, what are my next steps? Thank you, Renee. So right now we do have the application open for our fall 2023 cohort with classes beginning in August.

First steps would be starting that nursing cast application. You'll go to nursingcascas.org.

And you'll create an account like you'll create an account just for you. You'll search for the University of Cincinnati.

And while you're searching for University of Cincinnati, you'll also further search for the nurse midwifery program. So every online program that we offer or every on campus or or online program, our applications are all through nursing cast. So each and every single open program that we have has its own individual application. So search for nursing cast.

And I will put the link in the chat here.

See.

Umm.

Apparently I can't type and text or or talk and text at the same time. Oh my gosh.

Sorry about that. OK, here we go.

So you might see a variety of open applications. Make sure you select the nurse midwifery.

And then it's going to prompt you. There's four parts to the application. So there's the personal background information, academic history, supporting information, and then the program materials. Time is where you will be able to upload all of your your documents necessary for.

For the application, um, and again, your enrollment service advisor, that that's what we're here for, that's our role. We are here to help get you through the application process. So we typically offer weekly if not by weekly updates on your application, just kind of let you know where things are. We're happy to reach out to references if they're kind of ghosting, you kind of give a little nudge, nudge on the university side of things.

So that's what we're here for, but great question again. Thank you, Renee.

Any other questions before we kind of?

Wrap up this evening.

So here's kind of what's next the.

Resume, CV, personal statement, RN license are all needed before May 1st.

The names and contact information for your references at least need to be listed in the application.

Umm.

And again, there's a 30 day grace period kind of on the back end like for those references and transcripts to arrive. So those will be due by June 1st, your transcripts will be due by June 1st and your references will be due due by June 1st.

If you enter courses on your own, that will need to be done before May 1st.

If you elect to have nursing CAS enter courses for you, that will need to be done by June 1st.

Uh, Lauren, that is a really great question. So I would say, sorry, the question is approximately how many applicants do you accept each semester? So the fall and spring term are a little bit heavier just because, let's face it, everybody kind of enjoys their summer. So summer, we do tend to see a little bit of a smaller cohort in the summer.

We do have um.

About a 60% acceptance rate into the program. So it's it's not an open enrollment program. You know we are a competitive program. We are looking for applicants who have the drive and the ability you know to to move forward in in a Masters level program and I don't want that to to deter you in any way shape or form. You know we've seen, I've seen students personally that.

Have had a little bit, you know below that 3.0 GPA that have been admitted with.

You know, again as Doctor Hatchie mentioned that additional like above and beyond.

You know, joining organizations and additional certifications and whatnot. So.

You know.

Give yourself a shot.

You can do it.

I hope that answers your question, Lauren.

All right. Let's see here. And just in case you're not in contact with any one of our enrollment service advisors yet, this is our general phone number and our our general e-mail. These are both checked daily. Umm, feel free again, you can reach out to myself, one of my colleagues, any one of us are are here to help you.

So what's next? Um.

Be on the lookout for an e-mail with a copy of of this recording. I I know some of you had some some sound issues and I apologize for that. I have no idea what happened I I could hear everything just fine so I do apologize for that. But hopefully the the recording will pick up all the sound and and we should be good to go there. So be on the lookout for an e-mail with this recording as well.

Any last minute questions before we kind of wrap up this evening?

All right, I think.

I think we're good. Well, thank you all so much again for for taking time out of your evening to to meet with us. We really appreciate it and I hope you all have a wonderful spring season.

Thank you everyone.

Thanks, Katie.

You're welcome. Have a great evening. Bye, bye.

Bye.